In this conversation we will focus on the intuitive and immediate experience as well as the encounter with the objects and materials in the moment. This represents a counter-position to an intellectualised and elitist understanding of art that attempts to embed the objects in a discourse and charge them with meaning.

Our aim is to illuminate states of being »in-between« - a kind of wait-on-hold situation in which we are just in the process of reinventing a new way of functioning, a meaning or a task. This also reflects the artist's way of working, which constantly questions the finished form and her skill.

Instead of focusing on a finished and exhibitable end product, in the process with the objects we are increasingly interested in their unfinishedness and instability. By taking the objects apart, disassembling them and breaking them down, we want to make it possible to experience the materiality and peculiarities of the plates and the forging without forcing them into a fixed form.

We want to show the weight, the massiveness and heaviness, but also the flexibility and lightness of these plates. In the rocking, swaying and pivoting movement, the metallic hardness transforms into something soft and dissolves any binary notion. At the same time, the works refuse to be explicitly politicised, inviting instead immediate experience, play and dilettantish handling of the material in the moment. They emphasise the aspect of accessibility and do not require prior intellectual knowledge or a specific concept of art to grasp their deeper meaning. Instead, they require only curiosity and a willingness to engage with what is there and have fun in the process. The unfinished and fragile nature of the works challenges the idea of a definite ›statement‹ being made about them, thereby identifying and fixing them. Instead, they invite to be felt and explored, rather than just intellectually understood. In the video, the objects become equal counterparts and independent actors, entering into dialogue with other moving things in the outside space. They draw attention to the external conditions of the environment that constantly shape and move the object.